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Death, if you're tired of the life you are leading, make some changes. Try new things, either things you've always thought about or something new that comes along. Do things that are out of your comfort zone. Take a look at what it is that you're tired of and then figure out how to change it. I was tired of being overweight, so I made a commitment to lose weight, and that proved a catalyst for a number of other changes that I hadn't expected.
 
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What I'm tired of is out of my control. I am tired with a lot of things but the only one that actually matters to me is finding my true love. All I ever asked for was love. I don't actually have ANY other interest other than that, except for the sex that goes along with it. I am very good with photography; much better than many "professionals"; but in the end, that does not interest me, even though it is my main "interest". Should I go skydiving? Would seem like fun to many, surely? I know it wouldn't affect me at all. I'm just emotionally dead and my only hope is that my mind is taken over by my dark side as those have been the only times when I have felt any sort of purpose in life, other than waiting for a girl that maybe doesn't even exist in this life. Then again, that dark side is pointless, too - anything but true love is pointless, in the end.
 
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Death, I understand what you're saying. I too long for that deep, permanent relationship. My psychology is very much focused on having someone to take care of and control. I am conscious of a large hole in my life where my husband was, and where a slave is now supposed to be.

But as I was picking up the pieces of my life after my husband left, I admitted to myself that I couldn't simply go out and find a new partner. No one was paying any attention to me sexually. What I was doing wasn't working, so there was no point in just sitting where I was. So I decided to put my energy into addressing what I saw as the reason that I was being ignored. I decided I had to lose 40-50 lbs and get into better shape. It sucks that there is so much emphasis placed on physical appearance in the gay community, but there isn't much I can do about that. What can't be cured must be endured, I always say. Even if I couldn't control finding a new partner, weight loss and exercise were something I could control. So I started working out and gradually, guys started paying some attention to me. And I felt better about myself, and it helped my depression lift. Maybe these efforts won't get me a partner; I still have no direct control over that. But they will help me enjoy life a lot more while I'm looking.

I barely know you; all I can comment on is what you choose to present on this forum. But let me tell you what I'm seeing, in the hope that it can help you find a perspective on your problems. I see a very intelligent, articulate, and sensitive man who is so morbid that I can't imagine anyone wanting to date him. You yearn for genuine love, true romance, but your attitude is so black and so negative that I can't help but think you radiate it without realizing it. Being world-weary and nihilisitic has some value; it can help you cut through a lot of the nonsense that society spews to deny what it don't like, but the only people who find such an attitude appealing are other world-weary intellectuals. I know this because there's a part of me that's a lot like you. You think that by being this dark, you're just being honest about the world. But when women look at you, a lot of them are thinking, "This guy thinks everything is worthless. He's going to think that I'm worthless too. I don't want to feel worthless. So I'm going to look somewhere else for love."

Trust me, people would rather spend their time and romantic energy on guys who offer a sense of energy, fun, enthusiasm, and engagement with life. The reason for this is simple. People like guys who give them energy. World-weary intellectuals don't give energy; they take it. I am sure that women who get close to you will find an amazingly sensitive and thoughtful man, but very few women will make that effort because it will require them to expend a great deal of energy with no clear guarantee of a payback down the road. They would rather get to know a guy who gives off energy that they can pick up on, for the simple reason that it's much less effort. One reason I know this is that my best friend, the women who talked me down from killing myself, eventually sat me down and said to me more or less what I'm saying to you. Amusingly, she said it to me a few hours after my depression had lifted, so her timing was a few days off, but it was still a good thing for me to hear.

As I was struggling with my misery, what I kept coming back to was simply math. If I gambled all my life energy on finding true love, I would get a massive payback if I found it. But what if I gambled my life away and never found love? I would live an empty, joyless life. But if I spent a share of my life energy on other aspects of my life, such as my health, my career, my hobbies and friendships, then even if I never found my true love, the other parts of my life would at least be more full and at the end of my life I could look back and have some good memories despite the hole in my life. And eventually I realized that putting all my energy into my love life was a poor bet. A small chance at a huge payoff vs a huge chance of a moderate payoff. So I started investing a good chunk of energy into the rest of my life while still searching for love. And gradually, I started to find some meaning in the other parts of my life. And at the same time, guys started to pay attention to me. Investing in the rest of my life began paying dividends romantically, or at least sexually.

Sitting around lamenting the lack of true love is beautiful. It's sensitive. It's romantic. It's also an amazing waste of time, energy, and potential. You are so much more than your capacity to be a boyfriend and a master. You are an artist (photography), an adventurer (skydiving), a deep thinker, and so much more. Your romantic side is only one piece of you. Let these other sides of you out, and let them become as beautiful as your romantic side is. Give them some of the passion you're currently putting into making yourself depressed, and I think you'll find that eventually people will start responding to that passion. Some woman will see your photographs and think "hot damn, I want a guy who takes pictures like that!" She will see you jumping out of a plane and say "I could spend my life with a guy like that!" She will talk to you and discover what a wonderful guy you are inside and will say "I want to serve a man like that!"

How do you get to be that guy when you're so profoundly depressed? Simple. You start acting like him. You go through the motions and live his life. You commit yourself to his life. And eventually, you will start feeling like that guy. There's a saying in Alcoholics Anonymous: You can't think yourself into sober living; you live yourself into sober thinking. Change the way you are living your life, put real energy into it, and eventually you will find that you care about your life, that it has meaning and beauty in it.

If you're anything like me, you're thinking "that's bullshit. It's being dishonest about who I really am." I said that about myself for decades, and used that as a reason to not make any concessions to the rest of society. But it got me nowhere. And it was wrong. It's not being dishonest about who you are. It's about admitting to yourself that you're more than one thing. You're so much more than just your desire for love. You are your ability to take risks (skydiving), your ability to see the world in unusual ways (photography), and so on. My body is a basic part of who I am. So when I started exercising, I wasn't being dishonest about my intellect. I was admitting that my intellect didn't have a monopoly on me, that I could do something with my body. And I sat down and wrote the book I just finished, I was admitting that my career was an important part of me. If I can do this, you can too.

So put down this nonsense that the only thing that can make you whole is romance. It's not true and its's a part of the reason that you're not finding romance. I'm sorry to be blunt about this, but I honestly think you need to hear this. I don't pretend that I know you well enough to be able to understand every facet of your problems. But I can see this piece of it pretty clearly, because I've lived it. Now you can double down on your misery and tell me I'm full of it, in which case your misery will just continue barring the small chance of finding your True Love, or you can decide that what you're doing isn't working and see if what I'm saying can possibly help you a little bit. What do you have to lose?
 
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Well, my physical appearance is not a problem; I already look like a model. I should train more for physical strength, but that doesn't show through the clothes I tend to wear, anyway, and even if it did, I'm not interested in anyone normal, anyway; I'm interested in another world-weary girl, as no one but such a girl would be likely to work with me. If a female thinks that I would think that she is worthless, because of my dark view of the world, then she is just clueless and would never get even the basic aspects of me - the truth is that my dark mind is a guarantee to treating her like a princess, except for the punishment aspects, of course; she'd be my little girl that I would take care of and protect from the repulsive world - the things I would be prepared to do to protect her should not even be mentioned. So if she does not see this, she is wired completely different from me and it is her loss that she'd miss out on getting me as her Master.

I might be world-weary, but that doesn't mean that I do not have a limitless intention to take care of my possible future girl. World-weary does not mean any lack of energy, enthusiasm, fun and engagement in that future relationship; it merely means that I see the darkness in the world and do not shut my eyes to it. If they want someone to turn a blind eye to all the crap out there then there are countless players out there that are more than willing to take their virginity and dump them. If that's what they want, or just some dumb guy with minimal perception, then they should not look in my direction. If they want someone who will treat her like a princess and take care of her every day, get up early to bring her breakfast to the bed and bring an extra blanket while she's sick and sing for her, while still treating her like the slave she is and put her in her place and humiliate her, all the while knowing that she is my precious, innocent little girl that I will take forever care of, then I am the guy she should want. If they don't see that in me then it is their loss and I honestly pity them.

As for choosing the small chance of a huge payoff or the huge chance of a "moderate" payoff... I have always been an all or nothing kind of guy... I honestly don't understand how anyone could choose anything but my way of thinking in this... one of the largest mysteries for me. I understand it when you mean that it could assist me in finding my true love, if I chose that line of thinking, but as you and most others have noticed, there is something that is "off" with me - I just do not work well with others. Or actually I do, but that is only because in real life, I put on a veil, a very friendly, charming tone and a manipulative attitude so I will not be completely ostracized. Anyway, just saying that going out in regular society to hope to find her is quite pointless, because I'm just not normal in pretty much any way. I don't even open up fully on this forum, really, but that is due to other reasons... some things are too controversial and are better kept between me and my future love.

I do agree that I should do something with my talent in photography, however. I'm actually planning to enter a big photography contest, if it is not too late. I have every possibility to win.
 
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Well, my physical appearance is not a problem; I already look like a model. I should train more for physical strength, but that doesn't show through the clothes I tend to wear, anyway,

Well, you're miles ahead of me then.


and even if it did, I'm not interested in anyone normal, anyway; I'm interested in another world-weary girl, as no one but such a girl would be likely to work with me. If a female thinks that I would think that she is worthless, then she...would never get even the basic aspects of me - the truth is that my dark mind is a guarantee to treating her like a princess, except for the punishment aspects, of course; she'd be my little girl that I would take care of and protect from the repulsive world - the things I would be prepared to do to protect her should not even be mentioned. So if she does not see this, she is wired completely different from me and it is her loss that she'd miss out on getting me as her Master.

So in other words, unless she's exactly like you, she can't possibly understand you and therefore isn't worth your time. I'm sorry, but it's no wonder you're having trouble meeting your True Love. If that's the way you think, the vast majority of all women are going to look at you, realize they've already been rejected, and move on. And the world-weary ones are going to think that as well. Like you, they're very sensitive. They probably have encountered a lot of rejection, just as you have, and so they expect it and have strong defenses against it. You're giving off exactly the vibe that is pushing away the women you want. You know that you're going to take good care of your little girl. I know you're going to take care of your little girl. But your little girl doesn't know that you're going to take good care of her because your attitude is saying 'fuck off'. And the sensitive ones are the first ones to pick up on that and fuck off. The ones who have enough confidence to try and knock on your door to see if there's someone interesting at home are exactly the ones you've decided aren't worth your time.


I might be world-weary, but that doesn't mean that I do not have a limitless intention to take care of my possible future girl. World-weary does not mean any lack of energy, enthusiasm, fun and engagement in that future relationship; it merely means that I see the darkness in the world and do not shut my eyes to it. If they want someone to turn a blind eye to all the crap out there then there are countless players out there that are more than willing to take their virginity and dump them. If that's what they want, or just some dumb guy with minimal perception, then they should not look in my direction. If they want someone who will treat her like a princess and take care of her every day, get up early to bring her breakfast to the bed and bring an extra blanket while she's sick and sing for her, while still treating her like the slave she is and put her in her place and humiliate her, all the while knowing that she is my precious, innocent little girl that I will take forever care of, then I am the guy they should want. If they don't see that in me then it is their loss and I honestly pity them.

Yes, it is their loss. But they're moving on and find their True Loves, and you aren't. So it's your loss too. Believe me, I completely understand this line of thinking. I lived it for 15 years. It's feels utterly logical and reasonable. It seems like it's an inescapable conclusion. But it's wrong, and it paints you into a corner. I sat in that corner until I was 32, when I got lucky enough to stumble into a guy who was attracted to enough of my surface characteristics that he took the time to get to know the deeper me, and liked what he saw.

As for choosing the small chance of a huge payoff or the huge chance of a "moderate" payoff... I have always been an all or nothing kind of guy... I honestly don't understand how anyone could choose anything but my way of thinking in this... one of the largest mysteries for me. I understand it when you mean that it could assist me in finding my true love, if I chose that line of thinking, but as you and most others have noticed, there is something that is "off" with me - I just do not work well with others. Or actually I do, but that is only because in real life, I put on a veil, a very friendly, charming tone and a manipulative attitude so I will not be completely ostracized.

What do you have to lose by trying what I'm suggesting? There are really three possible outcomes.
1) You try it. It works completely. You stop being depressed. You find your True Love. Life is wonderful. Problem solved.
2) You try it. It works a little bit. Life becomes a little more interesting. You don't find your True Love. Problem not solved, but it's a little smaller because life is more interesting and can distract you from your depression somewhat.
3) You try it. It fails completely. You're still depressed. You haven't found your True Love. You're back at square one, and all you've lost is a little bit of time and energy that you would have spent being depressed.

You're not 'off'. You're not broken You're not the Amazing Loveless Freak of Nature. How do I know? Because that was me at your age. Actually I was worse, because I didn't look like a model and I'd never had a real date, much less a real relationship. And I did exactly what you're doing. Every time someone gave me some advice on how to get out of the pit I had dug for myself, I rejected the advice and dug the pit a little bit deeper just to spite them. I knew I was right, so I ignored all the good advice, which just made things worse. Like you, I had an answer as to why every piece of advice was wrong, or wouldn't help me, or couldn't apply to me. And by insisting that it wouldn't work for me, I made certain that it wouldn't. But after my husband left me, I finally stopped insisting that nothing would work. That strategy wasn't getting me anywhere, and I was desperate to get out of that place. So I tried something new. I forced myself to make changes. And it worked.

So, now, tell me your next reason why this won't work.
 
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Well, I'm not offended. After all, I'm the one being a little aggressive, and that's because I needed people to be aggressive with me. Not seeing your additions, so I can't respond to them. All I'm really saying is that if what you're doing isn't working for you, you need to change what you're doing.

One thing I've learned in life is that patterns mean something. My pattern was that no one was interested in me sexually. Initially I convinced myself that the pattern meant that I was a freak of nature and no one would ever love. After I was with my husband, I realized that wasn't true. Someone could love me. When he left me, the pattern meant that only one person would ever love me and I'd lost him. But it gradually dawned on me that maybe the problem was that I wasn't interpreting the pattern right. Maybe the problem was not that no one would ever love me but that I wasn't doing the sort of things that would attract the guys I wanted. So I started doing things differently, and I started attracting some of the guys I wanted. A new way of viewing my pattern gave me a strategy that brought concrete results, even if they haven't gotten me my True Love yet.

I can't really see it very clearly, but I've come to realize that I do a lot of things to push guys away. I'm sitting here in a bar desperate for guys to talk to me, and what everyone else sees is a 'fuck off' vibe. At IML this year, I was surrounded by leathermen, but almost everyone was ignoring me. There was this one boy I was interested in, who I thought might possibly be interested in me, but he wasn't doing anything, even when I made what I thought were clear signs for him to approach me. So I sort of figured he wasn't interested. An odd set of circumstances threw us together eventually and we had a ton of fun playing together. He told me afterward that he thought I was the hottest guy around, but he found me so intimidating that he was sure I'd send him away if he came over to me. So just because I thought I was being open and inviting apparently didn't mean I was actually being open and inviting. If you're not meeting anyone, it's not because your a Freak of Nature. It's because something in your vibe is pushing women away. Change your vibe (which, I realize is much easier said than done), and you'll get different results. My advice to focus on other parts of your life is one way to change your vibe. Maybe there are others. Without knowing you better, I can't say.
 
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Well... you're right that I'm more likely to attract confident girls instead of a shy, sensitive one, with my attitude. I probably should tone down my dark mind a bit. Of course, I'm unusually hateful, at the moment, after a player recently took my girlfriend away from me, took her virginity, and dumped her right afterwards. Still, he should still be cut up in small pieces that are dumped somewhere for the maggots to eat. Just a fact. Too bad he lives so far away.

Any shy, sensitive girl that maybe is reading this should know that I don't really reject that easily... indeed, though; my dark personality may maybe make me get misunderstood.
 
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Being hateful right now is entirely reasonable. You've had something really shitty happen to you. Getting over that takes time. I've found that the best time to make a change is right after you've started coming down from that sort of experience. The pain is still fresh enough to help motivate you.

We're posting to each other even as the other person is responding, so you might have missed my previous post.
 
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I'm a little nervous to chip in, but I've taken a liking to you death and I want to see you succeed
Also, I dont have nearly the life experience seb does, considering I'm practically 20 years his junior =P

Death, the tone of all your posts is still on the negative side, even your last one. The points seb made would be exactly the same if he had quoted your edited version, since the points you made were very similar. There's no shame in listening

I too know practically nothing about you, but I do have this to say. I've read your personals thread, so I've noticed that the things you're looking for in a girl are extremely specific. I have a feeling you would be unwilling to bend on any of them (they seem to be pretty deeply embedded in your philosophy on love). I think what sebastain said about your attitude is a very valid point, things like this are easy to pick up on especially in real life, but I think you also have such specific desires that its hard to cater to them.

For instance, even though I was intrigued by your post, I'm not a virgin, I dont want to live in Sweden without learning swedish, and I'm not into blood or urine. (if you comment on how "thats not exactly what you said" or something like that, its totally besides the point so dont waste your breath). It seems as though if one of these, rather major points, cant be met then there's no compromise. Clearly I shouldn't even waste my time contacting you because I'll be met with rejection. I'm not suggesting that you should compromise what you what in a partner, I'm just saying that from stage 1 its hard please you.
I'm just saying.

I fully support that sebastian has said about changing your life, or the way you live your life while still being true to who you are. You're already good looking, great, what about your attitude, the activities you engage in, how often you go out or try new things. These are just suggestions, nit-picking through this and telling us why your attitude/lifestyle/etc doesnt need changing isnt constructive. We have no idea what you're like in real life. We only know what you're like based on these posts.
The only person who can really figure out what needs to be done is you, possibly after a long period of deep introspective reflection.
 
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