Elegant_Thrall
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Holy crap I was confused about why this thread was cut in half and then moved, but then I realised what "DLG" stands for and the confusion melted away.
Seb you're reading a little too hard into my feelings. Let me just find you a quote from my big ass post from earlier.
So you see, you can relax. I'm certainly not expressing hate towards the people that enjoy that kind of play (again as long as it's not real incest or child abuse) My issue is with the term, not with the people who actually fulfil the definition of the term.
Elegant, you certainly have the right to dislike the term and reject it for yourself. But saying that the term itself is wrong really violates one of the basic principles of the BDSM community, which is summarized in the clumsy phrase "Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is ok". The essence here is that kinky people accept each other's kinks and don't judge them, except where the cross of the line into non-consensuality or seriously unsafe play. You have the right to reject the term for yourself, but you don't have the right to reject it for anyone else. There are many d/s couples out there for whom the daddy/boy or daddy/girl label is the perfect embodiment of what they like to do and how their relationship feels for them. And even if they like it because it allows them to pretend that they're committing incest or child abuse, there's nothing wrong with that (so long as they aren't actually committing child abuse). Kinks are taboo; that's why they're so arousing. What seems disgusting to you might be deeply arousing to someone else, and what seems arousing to you is, I guarantee it, disgusting to a majority of the population (since being a sub at all is generally unacceptable). So if you want people to accept your kinks, you have be willing to accept theirs, at least to the point of telling them that they get to define their play and not telling them they're wrong for liking something you don't like.
Seb you're reading a little too hard into my feelings. Let me just find you a quote from my big ass post from earlier.
Indeed. And while I certainly don't wish to slap a label of derision on those sorts of fantasies, as we are all a little fucked up if we're on this forum, those are the antithesis of things I think about during sex.
So you see, you can relax. I'm certainly not expressing hate towards the people that enjoy that kind of play (again as long as it's not real incest or child abuse) My issue is with the term, not with the people who actually fulfil the definition of the term.
'Daddy's girl' is a misnomer FOR YOU. It's not a misnomer in general.[/QUTOE]
Now see... I disagree.
GRANTED, I am but one person. Of this, I am aware. And if people use it to describe me, then it is a misnomer, which is defined as a word or term that people use to describe something that is inaccurate given the base definition of the word or term itself. An outside example of this is the word "ambivalent" which people often use to mean that they feel neutral about something, when in fact the actual meaning of the word is to have strong feelings in both opposing emotions, or contradictory emotions. I don't think ambivalent is a bad word that nobody should use, and I can say the same for "daddy's girl." I'm just bothered by how it is misused, since it effects me.
Now since I'm just one person, it's only considered a 'mistake' when people use it to refer to me. However...
See bolded part. A lot of people think the same way you do. They think "well you're not what I would consider a slave, ergo you're a daddy's girl" That's what makes this a misnomer. Given the deeper connotations that I listed earlier, I think this is very incorrect.Anna: I think a lot depends on what degree of power exchange a sub has with his/her dom. If you're a 'daddy's girl' or a pet, to my mind that implies that the sub has some real say in things like protocols. So if your daddy wants a protocol that you don't like, you'd be entirely with your rights to disagree and negotiate a more satisfying protocol for you.
Well good. That gives me hope.I also meant to add: Most of the people I know or know of who are called or call themselves DLGs are very specifically into that kink, not just subs who went 'Oh, we're only bedroom and rules are flexible and we're affectionate, I MUST be in a DLG relationship!' They're people who thought about all the labels before they chose it, and after they chose it, everyone else recognized it through their use. If you're so caught up on people calling you the wrong label, you should probably do the same.
True. But with my example of the word "ambivalent" that I used before, just because some people know how to and in fact do use the word correctly, doesn't mean it's not a misnomer. I have only ever heard it used incorrectly, in my mind that's a misnomer. Perhaps my mind will change after I've witnessed enough people using it correctly.Obviously if someone accuses you of that title, they'd be wrong. It means they used the word wrongly, not that it's the wrong word in every occasion.
Oh yea I knew that. I detailed my issue with his post above. It was more so that in his head when a sub has a say in protocol, they are a pet or a daddy's girl. Sadly in my case people tend to jump to daddy's girl right away and skip pet. Seb himself continued to use the term "daddy's girl" which implies incest and other stuff, in the rest of his post rather than pet. That's why this feels like a misnomer to me.Which leads to that when Sebastian called out the term in the other thread, he was listing a few types of dynamics that might have applied to Anna2, not naming what she was. Which seems to perhaps be part of the problem here?
Yea Seb something like that. It's cool. I wasn't mad... just confused.Although you had an idea what daddygirl meant, the reason we all thought otherwise was your annoyance at the term.
It does refer to something incestuous.So we assumed you either thought it referred to something more strongly incestuous
No no. My mind didn't go there.or an insult for not being a 'better' sub (not that I know what a better sub would be')
I like doing things this way. Plus I don't want to ignore anybody and addressing all points from everyone allows be to explain my thoughts in full.In any case, it was unnecessary to quote and argue with each of us in turn for the same point; once would be enough.
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